Marc Maron Says Louis CK Lied to Him About Masturbation Claims

Marc Maron Says Louis C.K. Lied to Him When Confronted About Sexual Misconduct Rumors

Maron starts out by labelling C.K.'s actions as "vile, hurtful, damaging, selfish shit".

"There was a report in the New York Times ... and a day later Louis copped to it-copped to it late, but he did it, and he's my friend, and it's a hard position to be in", Maron said. I'm older now, I've taken some hits, I've thought about things.

Becky, who says he heard their story third-hand, misinterpreted it as an incident of infidelity on the part of his client and sought to maintain discretion.

Later in the podcast, he said he was "disappointed in [his] friend" but he'll continue his relationship with the comedian. "I misperceived the casual way the story was portrayed to me - instead, I should have recognized that it must have been a mask for their unease and discomfort in the face of his detestable behavior". Writing this means I never get to sit at the table.

"Although this may sound naïve, it is true. The other incidents, how would everybody know about that?" "And I wielded that power irresponsibly". It does. It matters tremendously. I'm going to be his friend, what do you want me to do? "There's no way to apologize for him about it". There's no way to let him off the hook. In the story, the comedian invited a female comedy duo, self-identified in the Times report as Julia Wolov and Dana Min Goodman, to his hotel room at the U.S. Comedy Arts Festival in Aspen and exposed himself without the women's consent. "It was always out there, but then it would pick up momentum at different times", Maron said. "I would say, 'This story about you forcing these women to watch you (masturbate), what is that, is that true?" Louis C.K. was the head writer, the guy who presumably did the hiring. After confronting C.K. about what he had heard, Maron recounts C.K. telling him it's "not real" and that the allegations were "just a rumor". Before that interview, recorded earlier, Maron wrestles publicly with "my friend Louis C.K". "No, I can't, I can't do that. I can't give it life, give it air".

"I want to believe women, but in this particular instance, there was no one named in that story", he said.

"The real problem is that female comics have been hearing about this stuff for awhile", he said.

Maron said larger institutional problems in comedy made it hard for women to be heard and believed when they spoke of being mistreated by other performers. It is pushed aside, it is dismissed, it is framed as an annoyance, or an embarrassment.

"That is the structure in this and in life".

How do we bring balance to the power structure? "It requires some sort of vigilance". Took place in a hotel room in Aspen. "That requires a little work". But when he asked, his friend Louis lied to his face. "There was no place for women to go tell this story".

Maron said he took C.K.'s word that the allegations were just rumors and accepted his view that it would be best to ignore them and hope they would eventually die down. It's stacked against you. And if they did, why didn't they say anything? "Don't embarrass everybody. Don't embarrass yourself.' That is the way it is and that is not correct".

"Sadly, I knew what most people knew", Maron said. I didn't make that happen. I married one and was engaged to another one. "He goes, 'No, I can't". "It was nearly like a leaving-the-body kind of moment and I could not do anything". As a way to make his point about the dangers involved, Maron talked about his own experience in such a situation, adding that he was "not comparing myself to women in any way". And it's a lesson I'm learning for the first time in my life.

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